1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:01:43,190 I have followed over the years 2 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:49,260 yeah 3 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:51,310 tonight we have the personal accompanied 4 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:52,970 of neil spring who's come a long way 5 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:55,130 from London he's from Swansea but he's 6 00:02:00,130 --> 00:01:57,250 made a special trip tonight to see us 7 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:00,140 and he's gonna give us a talk on the 8 00:02:06,910 --> 00:02:02,680 Welsh triangle which was has been dumped 9 00:02:10,930 --> 00:02:06,920 in 1977 was a spate of sightings in the 10 00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:10,940 Pembrokeshire area there will be a Q&A 11 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:14,000 at the end and Neil's bought his book 12 00:02:25,990 --> 00:02:23,440 there in Waterstones and online be there 13 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:26,000 basically Neil started off when he was 14 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:28,760 in school in Bishop's done get an 15 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:31,280 interest in UFOs and took upon himself 16 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:34,910 to investigate locally the cycling is 17 00:02:40,330 --> 00:02:38,480 going on and thank you then went away to 18 00:02:43,559 --> 00:02:40,340 University in Oxford I believe yeah yeah 19 00:02:46,509 --> 00:02:43,569 they started a group called glueball 20 00:02:49,809 --> 00:02:46,519 yeah the group was called open minds 21 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:49,819 open - yeah and he carried on with his 22 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:51,470 work there he did write to cracking 23 00:02:58,300 --> 00:02:55,720 articles for UFO magazine in 2001 about 24 00:03:01,240 --> 00:02:58,310 Spectre psyched and seen on the night in 25 00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:01,250 1998 in the Swansea area if you managed 26 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:03,200 to get copies of it it's well worth the 27 00:03:09,630 --> 00:03:06,500 read he then went on to become a 28 00:03:12,819 --> 00:03:09,640 novelist ebook and these were written a 29 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:12,829 novel called the ghost hunters I was the 30 00:03:18,430 --> 00:03:15,170 first one is it Gary price Mary price 31 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:18,440 how deep a ghost hunter and latterly the 32 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:20,959 Watchers which is being a doublet of TV 33 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:25,549 ELISA so he's a talented guy with a 34 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:27,650 background in UFOs and a lot of 35 00:03:37,330 --> 00:03:30,350 knowledge so you put your hand together 36 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:39,710 right well good evening ladies and 37 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:41,190 gentleman make sure you can all hear me 38 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:42,900 at the back yeah that's all right 39 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:44,730 good well firstly thank you very much 40 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:47,700 Ellen into the whole UFO sponser UFO 41 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:49,440 network for having me here tonight it's 42 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:51,930 a pleasure to see so many of you here 43 00:03:58,370 --> 00:03:56,370 and I feel very very welcome just in 44 00:04:02,540 --> 00:03:58,380 terms of all I'm gonna do I'm gonna run 45 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:02,550 you through a talk which I've entitled 46 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:03,270 tonight 47 00:04:08,510 --> 00:04:06,450 secrets of the Welsh triangle but if any 48 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:08,520 point anyone wants to stop me and ask 49 00:04:13,460 --> 00:04:11,040 any questions please just put up your 50 00:04:17,180 --> 00:04:13,470 hand or shout out whatever is easiest 51 00:04:19,479 --> 00:04:17,190 for you now I should begin by saying 52 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:19,489 that I'm not really I'm not a UFO 53 00:04:24,410 --> 00:04:20,670 investigator 54 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:24,420 I'm not a ufologist but I am a 55 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:28,020 storyteller and I have a story to tell 56 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:30,360 you tonight which rolls down to three 57 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:37,800 main things UFOs exist there can be no 58 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:40,710 doubt whatsoever about that they've been 59 00:04:46,340 --> 00:04:43,970 photographed witnessed by many 60 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:46,350 investigated by hundreds of governments 61 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:49,050 all over the world the second thing I'd 62 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:50,580 like to you all please to remember 63 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:53,970 tonight is that UFOs have an explanation 64 00:04:59,570 --> 00:04:56,970 which goes far beyond anything to do 65 00:05:01,880 --> 00:04:59,580 with military aircraft or secret 66 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:01,890 military planes or anything of that 67 00:05:06,980 --> 00:05:04,620 nature I don't mean that to imply that 68 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:06,990 they're extraterrestrial of course 69 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:10,190 that's a possibility but UFOs have a 70 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:12,660 explanation which goes far beyond what 71 00:05:16,460 --> 00:05:14,040 the authorities would have you believe 72 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:16,470 and the third thing I'd like you to 73 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:20,190 please all to remember tonight and this 74 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:23,490 one is really very important is that our 75 00:05:29,659 --> 00:05:26,460 governments or agencies within our 76 00:05:32,530 --> 00:05:29,669 governments do not want any of us to 77 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:32,540 know that fact 78 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:36,950 now I'm aware of this information not 79 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:39,380 because I have a faith by that I mean a 80 00:05:44,050 --> 00:05:42,470 belief without any evidence I'm aware of 81 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:44,060 this evidence I'm aware of this 82 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:46,100 information because I hold this belief 83 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:49,220 very strongly based on information that 84 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:52,010 I have been privy to as I'm sure many of 85 00:05:58,420 --> 00:05:55,130 you have also been privy to and I hold 86 00:06:02,920 --> 00:05:58,430 this belief because many people around 87 00:06:05,530 --> 00:06:02,930 Swansea and far beyond have spoken to me 88 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:05,540 personally about their experiences and 89 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:09,340 those experiences informed this book 90 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:11,630 which emmalin referred to just they're 91 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:14,690 the Watchers which is a fictional tale 92 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:19,040 based on reported sightings of UFOs in 93 00:06:25,930 --> 00:06:23,300 West Wales in 1977 just out of interest 94 00:06:31,210 --> 00:06:25,940 by show of hands how many people here 95 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:31,220 are aware of those sightings ok very 96 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:33,620 good that'll make it a bit easier 97 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:38,930 tonight I'm gonna begin by talking a 98 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:40,370 little bit about how I came to this 99 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:42,050 subject because I just said to you that 100 00:06:50,020 --> 00:06:47,600 I'm not a ufologist and that's not 101 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:50,030 strictly accurate in the sense that as 102 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:52,850 Emlyn said 2001 I was very actively 103 00:06:59,490 --> 00:06:55,370 involved in in investigating this 104 00:07:02,440 --> 00:06:59,500 subject but I didn't come to it from a 105 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:02,450 position of you know simply looking out 106 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:04,610 there for information on UFOs I actually 107 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:06,290 came to it because I was really really 108 00:07:10,090 --> 00:07:08,510 interested in stories and there were two 109 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:10,100 things that happened that got me 110 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:12,650 interested in in the why the stories of 111 00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:15,320 UFOs the first was my mum's in the room 112 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:18,380 my mum and I were in in a bookshop in 113 00:07:23,470 --> 00:07:21,530 st. Helens Road and there was a lady in 114 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:23,480 there who was practicing the art of 115 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:25,370 dowsing over a map when we walked in 116 00:07:28,210 --> 00:07:26,750 like that's very interesting what are 117 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:28,220 you doing and she said well I'm trying 118 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:29,930 to find somewhere for us to move our 119 00:07:34,570 --> 00:07:32,360 bookshop to and she said the crystals 120 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:34,580 gonna tell us where to go 121 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:36,890 and I said right a mum sort of looked at 122 00:07:40,750 --> 00:07:38,990 me as if to say what it's just gonna 123 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:40,760 move her business to go somewhere else 124 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:44,630 based on a crystal anyway I found a spot 125 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:46,370 at the back of the book shop which was 126 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:49,610 to do with UFOs and I was flicking 127 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:51,890 through flicking through a book and the 128 00:07:58,420 --> 00:07:53,660 lady behind the counter said to me if 129 00:08:01,120 --> 00:07:58,430 you are interested in UFOs you ought to 130 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:01,130 look at what the kids school what the 131 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:04,010 kids saw down in brought Haven in 1940s 132 00:08:12,220 --> 00:08:08,720 in 1977 and I I've never heard anything 133 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:12,230 happening down in Pembrokeshire in 1977 134 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:14,690 but it lodged somewhere in my mind and 135 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:17,900 then separately 136 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:20,570 I was I was fortunate enough to have a 137 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:23,180 wonderful teacher in school who she'd 138 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:25,850 told me about the day that some some 139 00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:28,460 boys I grew up in Bishop stone that some 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:30,860 boys living in Bishop stone had seen 141 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:34,490 what they thought was a UFO on the 142 00:08:38,650 --> 00:08:37,250 ground and I said what do you mean just 143 00:08:41,410 --> 00:08:38,660 in the middle of the day just sitting 144 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:41,420 there and she said to me they saw a 145 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:45,410 landed object on the ground and their 146 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:47,630 father one of their fathers was the 147 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:51,200 Reverend Bishop stone and he was very 148 00:08:58,690 --> 00:08:56,000 shaken by what his son had seen well 149 00:09:02,620 --> 00:08:58,700 then I was that's the story that hooked 150 00:09:04,510 --> 00:09:02,630 me actually so I went away and I did 151 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:04,520 some research I actually went to the 152 00:09:11,170 --> 00:09:07,960 library and flipped through and through 153 00:09:13,390 --> 00:09:11,180 newspaper reports I also did something 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:13,400 else I went and found the boys today I 155 00:09:16,810 --> 00:09:15,650 found one of them I found Andrew Everson 156 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:16,820 who lives 157 00:09:22,570 --> 00:09:20,390 we did live in the mails and Andrew 158 00:09:25,510 --> 00:09:22,580 Breault kindly welcomed me into his home 159 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:25,520 and sat down with me 160 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:28,940 and the story he told me was this on a 161 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:33,860 Sunnis day and I believe it was 1977 but 162 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:35,090 it might have been a year or two either 163 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:36,620 side of that yeah well so there's lastly 164 00:09:42,010 --> 00:09:38,090 the summer holidays right the last day 165 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:42,020 the summer holidays nice no sister last 166 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:43,960 day of the summer holidays they lived 167 00:09:50,389 --> 00:09:46,410 actually very near to where in the 168 00:09:52,579 --> 00:09:50,399 just where North Way Court is now ready 169 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:52,589 in bishops turn the farmers field was 170 00:09:56,569 --> 00:09:55,350 adjacent to the main road and Andrew and 171 00:09:58,939 --> 00:09:56,579 his friends were picking blackberries 172 00:10:01,460 --> 00:09:58,949 and the hill but you have to imagine a 173 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:01,470 sort of sloping sloping hill they were 174 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:03,689 coming down the hill and they turned and 175 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:05,160 they saw right at the bottom of the 176 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:09,300 field a cigar-shaped object which was to 177 00:10:14,809 --> 00:10:11,100 use his words the size of the single 178 00:10:18,439 --> 00:10:14,819 decker bus with the surface like brushed 179 00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:18,449 aluminium and a small dome on top maybe 180 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:21,660 a flashing light and he said we stood 181 00:10:27,439 --> 00:10:24,060 there when we looked at this object and 182 00:10:29,449 --> 00:10:27,449 we ran and he ran back and they told his 183 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:29,459 father who was initially very very 184 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:33,480 skeptical until of course they returned 185 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:36,300 to the spot and what did they find there 186 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:40,649 but a big burn mark now if anyone has 187 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:43,050 seen the original picture in the Evening 188 00:10:49,429 --> 00:10:46,680 Post that they took sure enough you can 189 00:10:51,139 --> 00:10:49,439 see there is mark it doesn't look to me 190 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:51,149 like a burn mark but it looks there was 191 00:10:58,009 --> 00:10:52,649 a mark on the ground and the two boys 192 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:58,019 are crouching there on it and I spoke to 193 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:00,000 the farmer who are trapped down at that 194 00:11:08,090 --> 00:11:04,740 time lived in Merton village and the 195 00:11:10,759 --> 00:11:08,100 farmer confirmed to me that he had 196 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:10,769 absolutely no idea what could have 197 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:14,399 caused this mark and that he thought 198 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:16,410 there was a me he said he was very 199 00:11:22,129 --> 00:11:18,750 skeptical at the time but he said I have 200 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,139 not been able to explain what they saw 201 00:11:26,449 --> 00:11:24,240 and it to him it was still a mystery 202 00:11:28,579 --> 00:11:26,459 and to Andrew Everson it was still a 203 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:28,589 mystery and one thing that was a mystery 204 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:30,689 to me which he said and lodged in my 205 00:11:37,490 --> 00:11:36,660 mind was that some men came and asked us 206 00:11:41,230 --> 00:11:37,500 some questions 207 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:41,240 I always remember he said that to me and 208 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:44,339 he didn't imply they were government men 209 00:11:48,829 --> 00:11:47,610 he's thought about going to America he 210 00:11:50,929 --> 00:11:48,839 said there was some people who had come 211 00:11:52,249 --> 00:11:50,939 an awesome but was all very vague but I 212 00:11:53,689 --> 00:11:52,259 just like you to remember that because 213 00:11:59,050 --> 00:11:53,699 it's important for what I'm going to 214 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:03,170 after moving away from Swansea when I 215 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:06,060 was at university I spoke to I became 216 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:07,770 aware of a woman who became a good 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:10,140 friend of mine I'm afraid it's no longer 218 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:11,130 with us 219 00:12:14,420 --> 00:12:13,860 his name is Georgina Bruni Georgina 220 00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:14,430 Bruni 221 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:16,680 as many of you will know wrote a book 222 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:19,680 called you can't tell the people and the 223 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:23,250 the origin of that title came from a 224 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:26,160 dinner party that she was attending at 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:27,750 which Margaret Thatcher was sitting next 226 00:12:32,330 --> 00:12:29,970 to her and you've met and sure many of 227 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:32,340 you have heard this story and she said 228 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:34,230 she got on to the subject of UFOs and 229 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:36,720 the Rendlesham forest incident and of 230 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:39,990 course Margaret Thatcher turned to her 231 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:43,470 and said UFOs quote you must have your 232 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:45,890 facts and you cannot tell the people 233 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:48,870 well afterwards Georgina and I stayed in 234 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:52,980 touch for some time and again as I said 235 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:54,690 it's a great shame that she died so 236 00:12:58,670 --> 00:12:57,090 young but I do believe that my Georgina 237 00:13:01,250 --> 00:12:58,680 Bruni's book on the Rendlesham forest 238 00:13:03,380 --> 00:13:01,260 incident it's one of the best books you 239 00:13:05,180 --> 00:13:03,390 can read on the subject and I know 240 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:05,190 there's a lot of information that you've 241 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:07,230 deliberately left out of that book as 242 00:13:15,260 --> 00:13:11,190 well again which I'll come back to a 243 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:15,270 little bit later on but my interest was 244 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:17,820 ignited from this point on and was very 245 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:20,610 very strong and I have to say what 246 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:24,300 happened if you go papers after meeting 247 00:13:29,690 --> 00:13:26,370 Georgina that I that I began to think 248 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:29,700 actually yes maybe maybe there is some 249 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:31,410 substance in these claims that the 250 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:33,810 government is not is actually taking 251 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:36,750 this whole subject more seriously than 252 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:41,850 any of us might suppose of course we all 253 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:43,290 know when the modern wave of flying 254 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:46,530 saucers began which was in 1947 in the 255 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:48,780 summer when Kenneth Arnold said he saw 256 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:51,750 his objects which skipped like a source 257 00:13:58,250 --> 00:13:54,600 of wood across water and he told that 258 00:14:01,770 --> 00:13:58,260 story to the press with great Glee 259 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:01,780 and then shortly after that the disc 260 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:05,710 landed in Roswell New Mexico I think 261 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:08,050 they could be now no doubt that 262 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:10,090 something came down there which the 263 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:11,890 government were not prepared to admit to 264 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:13,750 at the time and I'm not sure how many 265 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:16,600 people in the room take seriously any of 266 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:19,410 the government's at the US government's 267 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:22,650 recent explanations for that sighting 268 00:14:27,690 --> 00:14:25,480 they're slightly more credible than the 269 00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:27,700 ones they put out at the time the web 270 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:30,190 balloon but I said I don't think a great 271 00:14:36,660 --> 00:14:33,760 deal more credible and then of course 272 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:36,670 the great sightings of 1952 in 273 00:14:42,510 --> 00:14:40,000 Washington DC which were basically mass 274 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:42,520 sightings where you had a great number 275 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:44,970 of lights seen over the Capitol building 276 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:47,860 my slides were working here I'd be able 277 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:50,080 to show you this on the slide did the 278 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:52,480 photographs that I have but what was 279 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:55,090 extremely interesting to me though but 280 00:14:59,730 --> 00:14:56,800 looking back over history over that 281 00:15:02,460 --> 00:14:59,740 period was how our government were 282 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:02,470 looking at the subject and when I was 283 00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:06,010 doing my research for this book I came 284 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:10,020 across a memo which is basically a 285 00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:13,000 letter which comes from a member of the 286 00:15:19,530 --> 00:15:17,320 Air Force retired this letter was sent 287 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:19,540 to the chief of the air staff and it 288 00:15:24,210 --> 00:15:21,190 begins dear sir 289 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:24,220 in 1952 I was stationed in the Far East 290 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:26,740 with the RAF but a particularly large an 291 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:28,960 important base and during one flying 292 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:30,850 summer's day with not a cloud in sight 293 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:33,490 nor any aircraft about or balloons or 294 00:15:38,130 --> 00:15:36,280 flares suddenly and in full view of 295 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:38,140 everyone on the base we were 296 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:40,330 deliberately buzzed by a large flying 297 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:43,990 disc which glowed red on the trailing 298 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:47,080 edge as it made several passes over our 299 00:15:55,380 --> 00:15:50,770 place which house our vampire a meteor 300 00:15:59,130 --> 00:15:55,390 aircraft I go he goes on it made a loud 301 00:16:00,960 --> 00:15:59,140 buzzing sound as it shot about the disc 302 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:00,970 was in the area for about three minutes 303 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:04,210 before it shot straight up to the zenith 304 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:07,390 at a speed our radar chaps estimated to 305 00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,010 be about six hundred knots we were told 306 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:15,040 not to write home about it or to talk 307 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:18,280 about it to outsiders but we were all 308 00:16:24,390 --> 00:16:20,830 well aware that we had seen something of 309 00:16:26,430 --> 00:16:24,400 great importance and that governments 310 00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:26,440 are aware that these things are not 311 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:28,660 coming from outer space other galaxies 312 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:32,110 either but somewhere else quote another 313 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:37,450 place anyway he finishes and says can 314 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:39,670 you please tell me who decides on the 315 00:16:47,690 --> 00:16:42,460 amedy there is no danger to our defenses 316 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:47,700 and how do you investigate it who indeed 317 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:51,190 well of course that question as to where 318 00:16:57,090 --> 00:16:53,200 these things come from kept being asked 319 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:57,100 and the same year Winston Churchill sent 320 00:17:00,300 --> 00:16:58,690 his famous memo what is all this stuff 321 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:00,310 about flying saucers and that too what 322 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:02,590 could it mean what is the truth somebody 323 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:04,210 let me have a report and indeed they did 324 00:17:10,410 --> 00:17:06,940 and they all know I assume most of you 325 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:10,420 know that he was basically fobbed off by 326 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:14,830 the mo D well then we're lucky because 327 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,300 there were people in the defense 328 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:18,400 establishment who weren't prepared to be 329 00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:23,160 fobbed off and the Admiral of the fleet 330 00:17:27,810 --> 00:17:25,870 is one of those people led the Great 331 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:27,820 Britain the Battle of Britain at the 332 00:17:34,110 --> 00:17:31,870 time and as we're all aware went on 333 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:34,120 record was a very very impressive UFO 334 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:35,950 sighting and indeed until the day he 335 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:38,530 died was assisting georgina Bruni in 336 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:40,360 looking into the incidents around the 337 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:44,140 Rendlesham forest of December 1980 that 338 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:46,270 case is when I'm just assuming most of 339 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:50,500 you are here are very well aware of how 340 00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:52,570 many of you have heard of the of the 341 00:18:00,840 --> 00:17:56,700 condign report but from the mo D yes so 342 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:00,850 it's worth reflecting that although the 343 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:05,230 MRD were very very happy to not talk 344 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:07,840 about the December 1980 incident in 345 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:09,910 Rendlesham forest where crafts 346 00:18:14,850 --> 00:18:12,490 apparently landed in the woods next to 347 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:14,860 the twin air bases RAF Woodbridge and 348 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:17,410 RAF Bentwaters it's worth noting that 349 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:20,110 the MRD were quite happy to sweep all 350 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:21,120 this under the 351 00:18:27,980 --> 00:18:24,870 of it but Nick Pope and many other 352 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:27,990 researchers in the field have since 353 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,750 spoken to this very insightful document 354 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:32,880 which was entitled unidentified aerial 355 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:36,330 phenomena in the UK this is now in the 356 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:38,100 public domain by the way and all of you 357 00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:41,580 can go and look it up this Declassified 358 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:44,580 report which was conducted by Britain's 359 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:48,210 Defense Intelligence staff concludes the 360 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:51,600 UAP unidentified aerial phenomena do 361 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:53,970 exist it concludes that that's 362 00:18:59,060 --> 00:18:56,760 indisputable and that these craft 363 00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,070 clearly sorry it doesn't use the word 364 00:19:04,669 --> 00:19:01,440 craft but and that these phenomena 365 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:04,679 clearly exhibit characteristics that are 366 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:07,230 quote well beyond any of those aircraft 367 00:19:12,919 --> 00:19:10,890 that any aircraft or missile now what's 368 00:19:14,299 --> 00:19:12,929 interesting about this report there are 369 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:14,309 three things interesting about it the 370 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:17,610 first is that it's classified UK secret 371 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:20,490 eyes-only so if there's nothing in the 372 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:23,300 UFO phenomenon why is our government 373 00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:27,030 creating reports entitled on the subject 374 00:19:32,180 --> 00:19:29,820 in current entitled UK secret eyes-only 375 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:32,190 the second interesting thing about it is 376 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:34,440 that there were only 11 copies of it 377 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,500 made which implies that it was a 378 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:38,880 document considered to be of some 379 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:41,730 sensitivity and the third most important 380 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:43,800 thing about it is that it was conducted 381 00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:48,090 by the Defense Intelligence staff all of 382 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:51,929 these things have implications I think 383 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,650 that point to the conclusion I outlined 384 00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:57,360 at the beginning which is that our 385 00:20:02,000 --> 00:19:59,460 government take this subject far more 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:02,010 seriously than they are willing to admit 387 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:07,410 to on the face of it and I have to tell 388 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:11,970 you when I became aware of the sightings 389 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:17,250 in West Wales of 1977 a question at the 390 00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:22,140 top of my mind was how seriously did the 391 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:24,420 military and the government take those 392 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:26,170 sightings 393 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:31,510 throughout the winter at 77 and into the 394 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:35,260 summer occurred within an extremely 395 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:38,560 sensitive geographical area militarily 396 00:20:44,670 --> 00:20:42,010 speaking not only did they occur within 397 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:44,680 close proximity to a missile testing 398 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:48,700 range and to a very secret u.s. naval 399 00:20:56,180 --> 00:20:51,490 station positioned on the perimeters of 400 00:21:00,810 --> 00:20:56,190 RAF braudy overlooking st. bride's Bay 401 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:00,820 but they occurred within you know a 402 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:03,310 pretty populated area this community 403 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:06,910 would have something to worry about if 404 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:08,440 they thought that there were secret 405 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,050 military aircraft being tested and 406 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,360 possibly landed in their fields and 407 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:15,520 pasture lands as many of the many of the 408 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:19,090 witnesses living in that area claimed to 409 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:23,950 see so I was interested to what extent 410 00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:28,960 they took those sightings seriously I'll 411 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:45,240 you 412 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:49,510 sightings of West in West Wales 413 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:52,450 if the 90 different in 1977 you'd think 414 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,150 about three particular events the 415 00:22:01,500 --> 00:21:57,280 landing of the UFO at the Broad Haven 416 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:01,510 primary school a series of sightings at 417 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:03,790 a place called ripest and farm a few 418 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:06,610 miles away up on the cliffs and a series 419 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:08,890 of sightings which afflicted a hotel iya 420 00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:13,120 living at the havenport Hotel in between 421 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:15,660 port heiden and sea and little hayden 422 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:18,610 let me just touch upon her for a moment 423 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:23,950 her name was Rosa Granville Spanish in 424 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:25,480 origin and her daughter's name is 425 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:27,820 Francine and I believe Francine still 426 00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:30,730 this at the Hayden for although Rose is 427 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:36,270 now dead one night Rosa woke up to a 428 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:38,740 rocking sound outside her window there 429 00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,870 was a that the window was rattling there 430 00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,120 was there was a light shining into her 431 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:45,280 boat into her room and she was deathly 432 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:47,380 terrified so terrified that she got out 433 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:49,240 of bed and she went to the window and 434 00:22:58,290 --> 00:22:51,010 she looked out and what does she see 435 00:23:02,899 --> 00:22:58,300 there a landed object on the ground with 436 00:23:06,769 --> 00:23:05,330 I can't tell you whether she saw one or 437 00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:06,779 two figures I believe it was more than 438 00:23:12,259 --> 00:23:09,059 one but they were silver suited they 439 00:23:15,099 --> 00:23:12,269 were they were they were very tall and 440 00:23:16,489 --> 00:23:15,109 they seemed to be inspecting the ground 441 00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:16,499 now 442 00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:19,590 Rosa Granville reported this sighting to 443 00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:23,070 the newspapers and became the subject of 444 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:28,619 some well a bit of a joke I suppose 445 00:23:32,239 --> 00:23:30,210 amongst some of her peeps some of the 446 00:23:36,919 --> 00:23:32,249 people living in living in Little Haven 447 00:23:39,019 --> 00:23:36,929 unfairly unfairly a my dad because she 448 00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:39,029 was seen to be vindicated because there 449 00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:40,470 was a whole other flurry of sightings 450 00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:42,629 seem to follow but what was really 451 00:23:49,879 --> 00:23:45,960 interesting about her sighting was that 452 00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,889 after the event and I know I've heard 453 00:23:54,669 --> 00:23:51,720 this firsthand from the witnesses when I 454 00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:54,679 visited the area about 1011 years ago 455 00:24:01,759 --> 00:23:59,940 they were visited by some men and the 456 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:01,769 way this story was put to me 457 00:24:07,009 --> 00:24:04,440 I'll just tell to you now Francine was 458 00:24:09,469 --> 00:24:07,019 sitting in the bar the bar the havenport 459 00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:09,479 Hotel looks out over uh sort of wide 460 00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:12,269 gravel drive and she was in the bar and 461 00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,299 they heard the doorbell go and she said 462 00:24:18,859 --> 00:24:16,559 to me that was the first thing that was 463 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:18,869 strange because whenever a car comes up 464 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:21,210 on the driveway we hear it come up the 465 00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:22,710 driveway but suddenly there was someone 466 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:25,169 at the door so she said we went to the 467 00:24:30,999 --> 00:24:26,820 door and there were two men standing 468 00:24:33,979 --> 00:24:31,009 there she said to me that they had a 469 00:24:37,210 --> 00:24:33,989 skin that was like a woman's skin it's 470 00:24:39,619 --> 00:24:37,220 the word she used and she said they were 471 00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:39,629 very similar-looking they were dressed 472 00:24:45,739 --> 00:24:42,720 in they were dressed very smartly and 473 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:45,749 their car heart behind them as she said 474 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,130 look like 475 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:51,520 a silver futuristic car she said I've 476 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:54,610 never seen a car like it but what was 477 00:25:00,240 --> 00:24:57,250 even stranger was but these men then 478 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:00,250 said to her we've come to talk to you 479 00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:02,830 about your UFO sighting but we can't 480 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:06,360 stop today will come another day that 481 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:11,200 was it and then they left now that that 482 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:14,470 is deeply strange behavior and I saw 483 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:16,690 we've all met somebody who is deeply 484 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:21,010 strange we've all met people who are 485 00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:22,930 deeply strange right these people do 486 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:25,780 exist if do incest but I'll tell you 487 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:30,010 something that is even stranger these 488 00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:33,490 reports of strange men to come and ask 489 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:36,550 peculiar these quick place questions 490 00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:40,510 I found all over the world all over the 491 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:46,830 world and you only have to look at the 492 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:50,250 similarities between these reports to 493 00:25:54,060 --> 00:25:52,330 draw the conclusion that there's 494 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:54,070 something deeply strange going on and I 495 00:26:00,180 --> 00:25:55,690 don't mean that to imply that these men 496 00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:00,190 were some sort of alien or from you know 497 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:03,550 government agency I just want to draw 498 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:05,110 your attention to the fact that these 499 00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:09,820 things do happen because what happened 500 00:26:16,410 --> 00:26:12,340 at the havenport hotel then happened 501 00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:16,420 again at ripest in fact a ripest and 502 00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:18,280 farm as many of you will know it's a 503 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:20,500 very very remote place have you been to 504 00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:22,330 breakfast and fun I mean is right is 505 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:24,520 that right so it's right out on the 506 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:28,150 Chris really quite spooky place I would 507 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:29,350 imagine if you were to live there in the 508 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,100 winter and at the time of course Betty 509 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:35,200 Coombs was the head hurts Minh and 510 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:38,110 Pauline Coombs was his wife and they had 511 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:38,980 a couple of kids 512 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:41,650 well twins brother and sister as well 513 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:43,900 and of course the affair at the ripest 514 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:47,880 and farm began on a dark not dark night 515 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:50,350 Pauline's driving down the road Daniel 516 00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:52,870 the lane suddenly a globe of light falls 517 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:55,390 from the sky and begins following her 518 00:27:01,169 --> 00:26:58,990 car it becomes even more terrifying 519 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:01,179 light spins around and flies directly at 520 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:03,010 the car towards the windscreen it looks 521 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:04,630 like they're gonna hit and then it goes 522 00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:07,150 straight up by this point she's 523 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:10,179 absolutely terrified as you would be all 524 00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:12,250 the kids terrified she comes to a halt 525 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,470 outside the house they run inside and 526 00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:16,960 grab her husband he comes to the door 527 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:19,660 just in time to see this globe of light 528 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:25,300 above the car and it flies away now that 529 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:28,330 sighting as well as being quite 530 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:30,070 interesting could be out of the textbook 531 00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:32,890 if you've read any UFO books they're all 532 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:35,980 it follows a certain pattern but what's 533 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:37,929 really interesting is that that report I 534 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:39,940 referred to earlier on project condign 535 00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:41,350 the one done by the Defense Intelligence 536 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:44,980 staff that focuses on the military 537 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:48,900 applications of this sort of phosphorus 538 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:52,300 so they admit that these things are real 539 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:55,660 in this report and what she saw and what 540 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,340 she was laughed at for seeing doesn't 541 00:28:01,290 --> 00:27:59,520 necessarily it suddenly we have 542 00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:01,300 independent confirmation from our 543 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:03,179 government that this sort of phenomena 544 00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:05,350 exists and it could actually have some 545 00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:06,929 sort of military application whatever 546 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:10,960 application is I have no idea but it's 547 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:13,450 interesting the second really 548 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:15,010 interesting thing to happen at 549 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:18,130 Riverstone farm of course is that the 550 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:20,290 whole family will witness or Billy and 551 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,690 his and his wife Pauline at least were 552 00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,730 witness to one of these various tall 553 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:27,520 figures which appeared that one of their 554 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:30,970 window it was one evening and of course 555 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:32,800 that was an incident that scared them 556 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:35,080 all to death but I interviewed Pauline 557 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:37,059 coops because I was interested to see 558 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:41,020 how much of what she said then she was 559 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:44,650 still prepared to say and I have to say 560 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:46,300 that not only was most of what she told 561 00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:51,850 me perfectly consistent but I gleaned 562 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:53,800 further bits of information from her so 563 00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,050 for example she told me that the roast 564 00:29:02,490 --> 00:28:58,000 there was a bush next to the window and 565 00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:02,500 she said that she said that it was it 566 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,600 was it was black and all damaged after 567 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:06,880 this figure this glowing silver seated 568 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:08,530 figure with this blacked-out face that 569 00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:10,570 appeared on the window she said it was 570 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:11,300 damaged 571 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:13,700 and she also said that the paint around 572 00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:17,570 the window refused to stick properly for 573 00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:17,990 a while 574 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,950 and that was that was interesting but of 575 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:23,360 course we can't verify that because it 576 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:25,480 happened so long ago 577 00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:29,560 but what was interesting was that the 578 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:33,380 the son of the family did report also an 579 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:36,230 encounter but with with a car a 580 00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:39,290 futuristic looking car which came to the 581 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:43,160 property after their sighting and that 582 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:47,530 there were men there dressed smartly I 583 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:50,090 don't want to use the word men in black 584 00:29:54,550 --> 00:29:52,280 because it carries so many unfortunate 585 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,560 connotations now you know you can't use 586 00:29:59,170 --> 00:29:55,760 that phrase without thinking about Will 587 00:30:01,960 --> 00:29:59,180 Smith but but the point is the point is 588 00:30:04,090 --> 00:30:01,970 these things were reported and I'd read 589 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:04,100 about them like I'm sure you've all read 590 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:06,290 about men in black and UFO sightings but 591 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:08,690 when you hear it from the horse's mouth 592 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:11,150 it has a very different has a very 593 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,770 different effect I think so I was 594 00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:18,080 interested in whether or not any of 595 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:19,340 these sightings which were happening 596 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:24,050 around West Wales had had attracted any 597 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:27,770 sort of interest from the government if 598 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:29,990 you go back and look at what the mo D 599 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:33,650 said at the time they'll tell you it's 600 00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:35,660 pretty clear actually they were aware 601 00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:37,640 they were aware of the reports that were 602 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:40,940 going on but they they didn't really 603 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:42,770 claim to have any information on it they 604 00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:46,490 claimed they had you know they've been a 605 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:48,980 very woolly about the whole thing and in 606 00:30:54,490 --> 00:30:52,490 fact rosid Granville's at local MP wrote 607 00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:54,500 trying to get answers and he got a reply 608 00:31:00,100 --> 00:30:56,630 basically saying that there was nothing 609 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:00,110 in all this I think his name is James 610 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:01,610 well the love a person who replied 611 00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:03,290 anyway you can let me go and look at all 612 00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:07,880 go and look it up but the point is and 613 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:09,680 it's a it's a it's quite a significant 614 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:11,930 point is it was in writing at the time 615 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:14,360 that they had nothing on any of these 616 00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:15,970 events 617 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:20,000 well I'll come now to the fraud Haven 618 00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:21,530 UFO incident 619 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:25,640 at school in February I have with me 620 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:25,970 tonight 621 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:29,390 a statement from one of the one of the 622 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:32,050 witnesses one of the original witnesses 623 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:35,870 who's happy for me to read this out and 624 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:40,720 like I will read it out before I do I 625 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:43,550 went to the school about 1011 years ago 626 00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:45,470 and looked through they have a wonderful 627 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:47,420 scrapbook they're brought Haven primary 628 00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:50,510 school and the story I was able to piece 629 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:51,980 together is the one I'm sure you've all 630 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:55,310 heard that on a drizzly afternoon I 631 00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:58,160 think it was a Friday afternoon the 632 00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:00,350 children came running in and alerted 633 00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,350 their headmaster ruff Llewellyn to the 634 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:05,840 fact that they had seen at the end of 635 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,630 their playing field of heads that 636 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:10,490 bordered the stream and looked at a 637 00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:14,150 wider hill behind that they'd seen what 638 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:18,560 they described as a landed landed flying 639 00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:21,530 saucer UFO it was in fact they didn't 640 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:23,060 actually have a full view of it it was 641 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:25,480 half obscured behind the trees and 642 00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:27,290 actually what was really interesting 643 00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:30,590 about looking at their drawings is that 644 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:32,390 this object there's a very striking 645 00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:34,970 similarity to the one that was seen in 646 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:37,430 Bishop stone which first ignited my 647 00:32:42,610 --> 00:32:39,710 interest very very striking similarity 648 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:42,620 of course the headmaster was deeply 649 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:45,260 deeply skeptical but the boy's parents 650 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:49,730 were unprepared to take to forget the 651 00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:50,210 whole thing 652 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:53,900 and Randall Jones Pugh who was a local 653 00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:55,850 researcher at the time was very very 654 00:33:00,760 --> 00:32:58,430 quickly made aware and went down to the 655 00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:00,770 place where this object seemed to have 656 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:03,140 appeared and he basically discovered a 657 00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:08,030 very very muddy terrain where it would 658 00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:10,700 be very very difficult to place any sort 659 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,540 of machinery now that may or may not be 660 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:17,840 true I know that he went there I no 661 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:19,720 doubt it was muddy 662 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:22,430 it was raining of the visibility was not 663 00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:25,490 good that day and I spent a lot of time 664 00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:26,780 in brought Haven when I was researching 665 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:29,180 the Watchers I can tell you that there 666 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:31,060 are many people living there 667 00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:33,710 particularly near the sewage works and 668 00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:36,830 the hill opposite who will say I'm 669 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:38,990 afraid what they saw was a sewage tanker 670 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:41,510 and they've been watching too much Star 671 00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:44,330 Trek because one of those boys actually 672 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:49,280 drew a figure that has pointy ears well 673 00:33:53,890 --> 00:33:52,010 I have to say I don't believe that what 674 00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:53,900 they saw was a sewage canker I 675 00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:57,590 understand why people say it but if you 676 00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,570 if you look at the spot and if you go 677 00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:02,240 there and sigh hand fits I mean it's 678 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:04,550 it's a it's a very you know the hill is 679 00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:06,410 pretty steep but also the sewage works 680 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:08,419 aren't really completely visible it 681 00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:09,710 seems like very odd thing to have seen 682 00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:12,620 but what convinces me more than that is 683 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:14,899 that the boys all stand by their story 684 00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:16,040 today 685 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:17,780 well these those of them that I have 686 00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:21,230 been able to speak to do and as far back 687 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:23,600 as 1996 I think they all stuck by their 688 00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:30,409 story as well well the interesting thing 689 00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,179 is and these are the sorts of events 690 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:33,679 obviously we can't go back we can't 691 00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:36,020 check but what we can do what we can do 692 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:38,060 is look at the evidence from the time 693 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,330 which is obviously the most reliable and 694 00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:43,040 the evidence from the time was gathered 695 00:34:48,730 --> 00:34:47,120 by rasulallah and I know people who he's 696 00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:48,740 no work no longer with us I'm afraid but 697 00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:52,700 I do know people who knew him who was 698 00:35:00,760 --> 00:34:56,750 said to me he regretted until the day he 699 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:00,770 died not going out to look when the boys 700 00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:03,850 called him 701 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:06,590 and the reason he regretted it is 702 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:08,690 because he asked them all to draw what 703 00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:10,310 they saw and of course all those 704 00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:13,220 drawings tallied they all drew pretty 705 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:15,980 much the same thing there were a few 706 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:18,050 discrepancies but it's a dome-shaped 707 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,210 object the cigar shaped object with a 708 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:22,480 dome on top and maybe a light maybe not 709 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:25,010 what's also interesting is that many 710 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:27,350 people living around the school there's 711 00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:28,940 a small road that overlooks it 712 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:31,880 I did actually speak to a couple of 713 00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:34,250 people who implied to me that adults had 714 00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:36,590 seen the object as well actually at the 715 00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:39,380 time there were some canteen workers who 716 00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:41,540 were prepared to say they had seen an 717 00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,880 object up there that looked very similar 718 00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:45,440 to what the boys had reported on a 719 00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:47,360 different day and then he also thought 720 00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:53,150 this thing was pretty unusual now if 721 00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:55,910 this incident had occurred in complete 722 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:01,070 isolation let's suppose that it had you 723 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:03,890 might be forgiven I suppose you might be 724 00:36:08,349 --> 00:36:06,130 forgiven for thinking what happened was 725 00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:08,359 somebody somewhere was dumping some 726 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,700 sewage they weren't meant to be doing it 727 00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:12,560 this may be illegal they were and they 728 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:14,060 were quite happy for somebody to go away 729 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:16,730 and invent a UFO story as there's lots 730 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,270 of big IFS in there but it didn't happen 731 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:22,400 in isolation because people all over 732 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:24,830 Pembrokeshire that summer reported 733 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:28,310 seeing silver objects on the ground and 734 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:30,890 what's also interesting or perhaps 735 00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:33,290 telling about this is that these objects 736 00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:37,369 were never seen moving they were seen 737 00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:40,820 disappearing in situ reappearing 738 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:41,660 somewhere else 739 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:44,450 in another part of the field which 740 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:46,010 doesn't really sound like a sewage 741 00:36:59,350 --> 00:36:56,850 one of the witnesses was a woman who was 742 00:37:02,410 --> 00:36:59,360 University educated and lived very near 743 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:02,420 to ripest and farm her name is Josephine 744 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:05,690 Hewson well 745 00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:08,210 Josephine woke up one morning to look 746 00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:10,040 out of her window to see an object that 747 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:13,580 she described was a like an upturned 748 00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:16,610 jelly mould and again with a brushed 749 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:20,000 aluminium finish and she said this 750 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:22,690 object was so big that it it completely 751 00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:27,890 blocked out a local greenhouse a 752 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:29,990 greenhouse standing on her standing on 753 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:31,450 her property 754 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:36,410 well Josephine stood by I interviewed 755 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:37,910 Josephine myself when I was researching 756 00:37:45,550 --> 00:37:41,150 this book and she doesn't live in Wales 757 00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:45,560 anymore stood by it stood by the story 758 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:47,420 but when I was most recently doing 759 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:49,790 research for this book I went back to 760 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:51,980 the havens and I met a chap who knew her 761 00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:55,970 and he said to me I'm extremely 762 00:38:02,890 --> 00:37:59,180 skeptical about all of this he said but 763 00:38:06,850 --> 00:38:02,900 bloody hell she was adamant she was no 764 00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:06,860 changing her mind she'd seen this and I 765 00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:09,500 can conceive of no reasonable 766 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:14,920 explanation as to why she'd make it up 767 00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:20,420 why would she make it up her her 768 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:22,280 neighbors Pauline and Billy had been 769 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:25,310 ridiculed because they prepared in the 770 00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,170 so one of the sites one of the reasons 771 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:33,280 they were ridiculed is because one of 772 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:34,810 the things they saw was really quite 773 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:37,570 astounding and this is the this is the 774 00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:39,310 story which strains the credulity I 775 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:41,740 think the whole wells Triangle enigma 776 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:43,930 yeah so many of you know what I'm about 777 00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,940 to say that's of course the sighting by 778 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:47,680 Pauline Coombs have an object flying 779 00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:51,130 into stack rocks which was an Iraqi out 780 00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:51,820 problem 781 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:54,580 sort of the sort of st. bride's Bay what 782 00:38:59,940 --> 00:38:56,290 she thought she saw was an object flying 783 00:39:03,600 --> 00:38:59,950 into it a door opening and closing and a 784 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:03,610 dog within the rocks now if you've ever 785 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:06,610 seen a bird on a bright sunny day flying 786 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:07,960 around the rocks it can look a bit like 787 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,660 a silver disc from a distance but what's 788 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:12,760 interesting is that somebody else also 789 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:20,800 saw this somebody else also saw this and 790 00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:22,990 if somebody else was the hotel you at 791 00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:26,020 the havenport hotel now that for me also 792 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:27,960 sounds like a bit of a coincidence 793 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:30,310 but we have to take the testimony at 794 00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:36,130 face value I'll tell you that something 795 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:38,859 when I was in in the havens walking 796 00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:41,530 around the area around around breakfast 797 00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:43,000 and farm and stacked rocks 798 00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:49,720 I met a farmer who who said to me I got 799 00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:51,640 talking to him about this and he told me 800 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:54,430 two interesting things the first was if 801 00:39:58,410 --> 00:39:55,600 you don't think there's anything out in 802 00:40:01,200 --> 00:39:58,420 stack rocks go and talk to the divers 803 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:01,210 and the diving club that was the first 804 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:04,060 interesting thing the second thing was I 805 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,470 used to hear that he used to have some 806 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:06,880 people who would stay at his farm 807 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:07,660 because he used to run a 808 00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:09,910 bed-and-breakfast and he said they would 809 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:12,070 go out walking around stack rocks 810 00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:15,270 frequently until one day they came home 811 00:40:22,349 --> 00:40:19,480 and they said we're never coming back 812 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:22,359 here again and you said they never spoke 813 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:24,780 about it 814 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:28,120 well I went to the divers club and I 815 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:29,980 asked because of my curiosity was feet 816 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,870 it was a good story as I said the 817 00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:33,760 stories of what I'm all about really and 818 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:36,340 I went I went and spoke to somebody at 819 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:40,000 the divers club and they said that there 820 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:42,930 were members of their club who had seen 821 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:45,610 equipment under the water around stacked 822 00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:47,890 rocks so they said they'd seen a ladder 823 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,550 embedded in the rocks now that seems to 824 00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:52,720 me like something you could go and check 825 00:41:00,240 --> 00:40:55,240 and I'm not a diver I'm just telling you 826 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:00,250 what they told me but it did make me 827 00:41:07,170 --> 00:41:05,050 think because at the hotel I was I 828 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:07,180 learned a story which I don't think it's 829 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:10,510 been put down in print before but I used 830 00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:12,250 a version of it fictionalized in my 831 00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:15,580 novel and the story basically came from 832 00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:20,800 the hotel where the UFO was seen and the 833 00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:22,300 story bought down to this there were 834 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:24,430 some people staying there who worked up 835 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:27,250 at RAF braudy while they didn't work at 836 00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,450 RAF braudy they worked at this 837 00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:30,960 top-secret naval installation next door 838 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:33,520 it was officially an oceanographic 839 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:37,330 research station very very top-secret at 840 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:41,170 its height of the Cold War and what they 841 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:42,850 were doing or what they said they were 842 00:41:53,540 --> 00:41:45,310 doing at the time that this station was 843 00:41:53,550 --> 00:42:05,579 you 844 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,049 and these microphones were basically 845 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:09,920 listening to top secrets Russian 846 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:12,440 submarines and the whole operation was 847 00:42:17,650 --> 00:42:15,729 called Project SOSUS sound surveillance 848 00:42:19,479 --> 00:42:17,660 and if you go to the public records 849 00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:19,489 office in Kew you can look through and 850 00:42:23,319 --> 00:42:21,349 see all the documents as to how this how 851 00:42:25,269 --> 00:42:23,329 that our government agreed to take this 852 00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:25,279 station at the time and the effect it 853 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,150 was going to have on the local 854 00:42:30,219 --> 00:42:27,920 population they were really really 855 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:30,229 really concerned about the effect it 856 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:34,910 would have on the local population so 857 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:37,940 why weren't they concerned when hundreds 858 00:42:42,729 --> 00:42:40,390 of sightings started pouring in of 859 00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,739 objects which were completely 860 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:45,700 unidentified landing in people's 861 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:48,950 blabbing in people's back gardens didn't 862 00:42:55,259 --> 00:42:52,609 make any sense well we now know the 863 00:43:01,959 --> 00:42:55,269 truth they were extremely concerned 864 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:01,969 because a letter came to light which 865 00:43:09,609 --> 00:43:05,569 some of you may have seen but this 866 00:43:14,009 --> 00:43:09,619 letter basically is sent by an official 867 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:14,019 working at the Ministry of Defense and 868 00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:18,890 it's a letter to the RAF police and it 869 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:22,670 reads it's dated 14th of June 1977 and 870 00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,440 it says we've not invoked the assistance 871 00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:30,319 of the provost and security services on 872 00:43:36,819 --> 00:43:34,910 UFOs before and as I explained on the 873 00:43:39,189 --> 00:43:36,829 telephone the last thing I want to do is 874 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:39,199 to involve you in problems which would 875 00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:41,390 divert you from your more immediate work 876 00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:45,289 on low-flying complaints that he goes on 877 00:43:51,279 --> 00:43:48,859 and he says well the standard procedure 878 00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:51,289 on UFOs is to send reports to the 879 00:43:54,819 --> 00:43:52,940 various specialist authorities in the 880 00:43:57,130 --> 00:43:54,829 MRD to make sure that they contain no 881 00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:57,140 items of Defense and nothing has come to 882 00:44:02,670 --> 00:43:58,670 light to suggest anything untoward in 883 00:44:06,549 --> 00:44:02,680 Wales important point then he says I 884 00:44:08,729 --> 00:44:06,559 confess however that I find the 885 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,739 correspondence a little puzzling 886 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:11,420 according to the press cuttings some of 887 00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:13,609 the witnesses are people who might be 888 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:16,600 expected to be a fairly level-headed 889 00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:19,420 and the local MP has been inundated with 890 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:24,040 inquiries he then says I should be 891 00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,290 grateful if you would have a look at 892 00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:28,960 these papers and let me know whether you 893 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:32,710 think there may be some need for a 894 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:34,690 discreet inquiry that it would be 895 00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:37,810 worthwhile and if your staff could find 896 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:44,080 the time he then finishes his letter 897 00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:45,730 it's talking about whether or not there 898 00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:47,940 is evidence for a more serious 899 00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:52,080 specialist inquiry anchor and finishes I 900 00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:55,390 have not committed you in any way and I 901 00:45:02,250 --> 00:44:57,670 have not even told the minister 902 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:02,260 I am consulting you well the minister 903 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:04,330 was the one answering parliamentary 904 00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,230 questions on this I think that's 905 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:10,960 actually quite curious firstly because 906 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:13,210 it means that it shows basically that 907 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:16,690 the old adage ignorance is bliss rings 908 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:21,010 true the minister was unable to give the 909 00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:23,110 truth because plausible deniability 910 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:26,440 applied the officials at the mo D hadn't 911 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:30,610 told him but I understand why they were 912 00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:33,130 interested because as I said Wes Wells 913 00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:40,480 was a very very very vulnerable space at 914 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:45,780 that time and researched released since 915 00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:49,660 1977 has shown that Wales and West Wales 916 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:52,630 in particular was a nuclear on the 917 00:45:59,220 --> 00:45:54,970 nuclear strike list for the Soviets and 918 00:46:03,500 --> 00:45:59,230 it's not hard to see why so why did 919 00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:03,510 these UFOs wherever they come from 920 00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:08,500 choose this part of Wales is it because 921 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:10,270 of the work that we were doing there 922 00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:12,130 it's a question that you could 923 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:16,510 legitimately apply to the landing of an 924 00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,130 unexplained object in Rendlesham forest 925 00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:21,760 in December 1980 because of course those 926 00:46:28,049 --> 00:46:24,940 spaces weren't just holding nuclear 927 00:46:30,929 --> 00:46:28,059 weapons as we know now but 928 00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:30,939 were located in close proximity to 929 00:46:37,709 --> 00:46:34,269 top-secret radar installations as well 930 00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:37,719 and radar research and there's a great 931 00:46:41,969 --> 00:46:40,599 deal of speculation that I don't want to 932 00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:41,979 go into really but a great deal of 933 00:46:46,529 --> 00:46:44,589 speculation about the nature of that 934 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:46,539 research and what it might have had to 935 00:46:51,299 --> 00:46:49,170 do with the object they saw in the woods 936 00:46:57,019 --> 00:46:51,309 and you can draw your own conclusions 937 00:46:59,999 --> 00:46:57,029 about that but I did have to ask myself 938 00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:00,009 why is it that these objects disappeared 939 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:04,869 in situ and vanish and this probably 940 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:06,609 isn't a popular theory amongst people 941 00:47:11,279 --> 00:47:08,529 who would like to believe that there is 942 00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:11,289 there are tangible objects visiting us 943 00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:14,589 from outer space but that sort of 944 00:47:19,439 --> 00:47:16,420 behavior these images these objects that 945 00:47:21,539 --> 00:47:19,449 sort of slip in and out on radar implies 946 00:47:25,099 --> 00:47:21,549 to me something that's more paranormal 947 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,109 in nature than it is nuts and bolts 948 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,910 having said that who's to say that 949 00:47:33,209 --> 00:47:29,920 another very advanced nuts-and-bolts 950 00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:33,219 craft hasn't perfected the ability to do 951 00:47:35,489 --> 00:47:34,689 these things which are beyond our 952 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:35,499 understanding 953 00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:41,380 it's certainly beyond mine and on that 954 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:43,779 note but I'd like to do is to open the 955 00:47:58,070 --> 00:47:46,089 floor to some questions because I think 956 00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:12,690 yes about the same time yes at the same 957 00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:28,520 well I am I'm aware that there was 958 00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,800 certainly sightings of Gower and one of 959 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:33,780 the one of the sightings was the one I 960 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:35,610 referred to earlier about the boys who'd 961 00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:37,770 seen something in their field and his 962 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,100 father was in Bishop's turn another 963 00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:43,020 sighting actually occurred to an artist 964 00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:45,740 they've been very very very near there 965 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:50,220 and she I'm not referring to it's mr. 966 00:48:57,110 --> 00:48:52,200 Petts I'm not referring to him another 967 00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:57,120 artist - she's she lived on on North Way 968 00:49:02,240 --> 00:48:59,580 actually on the road there Santa kaua 969 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:02,250 and she was doing the washing up one 970 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:08,040 afternoon and she said she became aware 971 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:10,110 of an object flying immediately overhead 972 00:49:16,070 --> 00:49:14,730 and she ran out into the garden and she 973 00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:16,080 looked up and she said it was a 974 00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:19,620 spherical shaped object again brushed 975 00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,600 gray aluminium and she said the phrase 976 00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:26,160 which sticks in my mind and this is a 977 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:27,990 long time ago but I'm just using the 978 00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:29,850 words that she used she said the 979 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:33,060 underneath of the craft was composed of 980 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:37,170 many shining radiating filaments the 981 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:37,950 word she used 982 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:41,310 radiating filaments which made it sound 983 00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,230 like a very intricate object and this 984 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:46,560 was very shortly after the or maybe even 985 00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:50,250 the same day as Andrew Everson sighting 986 00:50:03,830 --> 00:49:55,140 in in Bishop's turn there were sightings 987 00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:03,840 over our much later in 1996 898 in 988 00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:05,190 October 1980 989 00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:09,540 almost 21 years later and those 990 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:12,870 sightings were queried by our been 991 00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:17,010 Member of Parliament Martin Katyn who 992 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:19,500 actually put the questions down at my 993 00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:24,770 request at the time and those questions 994 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:27,270 pertain to a series of lights that have 995 00:50:33,810 --> 00:50:29,430 been seen over Gower that night which 996 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:33,820 were pursued by two Sea King helicopters 997 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:37,950 both of those one of those helicopters 998 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:41,830 landed at Swansea Airport on the night 999 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:47,050 of the incident and quite frankly the 1000 00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:48,430 details of what happened at Swansea 1001 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:50,020 Airport like that like something out of 1002 00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:52,210 The X Files I'll go into what happened 1003 00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:52,780 in a minute 1004 00:51:00,360 --> 00:50:58,660 but the point is that many many people 1005 00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:00,370 over Gareth at night saw something and 1006 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:05,470 the mo D attributed it to a military 1007 00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:11,170 exercise essentially which it could have 1008 00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:13,960 been who knows but what what is 1009 00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:16,540 interesting is that shortly after the 1010 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:18,820 event I I was lucky enough to speak to 1011 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:21,850 somebody who worked at the airport who 1012 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:24,130 told me that the objects had been 1013 00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:29,320 tracked on radar I didn't I didn't see 1014 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:31,870 any sort of hard evidence of that so I 1015 00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:33,490 can't tell you if that's true I'm just 1016 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:34,660 telling you what I was told 1017 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:41,020 and I was told that the airport 1018 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:44,370 that night was visited by a large 1019 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:49,060 unmarked car which was dark and which 1020 00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:52,870 was parked on the runway without without 1021 00:51:58,550 --> 00:51:56,440 official clearance to be there and had 1022 00:52:01,050 --> 00:51:58,560 its headlights switched to full beam and 1023 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:01,060 that one of the helicopters which had 1024 00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:03,850 been involved in these maneuvers used 1025 00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:07,120 that beam to land from the car to land 1026 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:11,740 at the airport that night now I have no 1027 00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:16,690 idea what was going on but I have no 1028 00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:18,430 doubt that it that happened because I 1029 00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:20,020 was one of the people who saw it I saw 1030 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:21,580 one of these helicopters and lights 1031 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:24,970 myself so but you know many people did 1032 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:30,160 the Coast Guard saw it and of course it 1033 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:31,570 was all it was or distant military 1034 00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:34,090 exercise but they can tell you at the 1035 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:37,120 time it felt very different to that but 1036 00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:40,210 again it's it's it's one of those events 1037 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:43,350 which hasn't been explained 1038 00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,890 another question government yes if we 1039 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:50,940 believe and what we're told 1040 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:53,010 French government the South American 1041 00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:56,880 government etc etc a very minded about 1042 00:53:02,360 --> 00:52:59,700 UFOs that's what we learn to believe 1043 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:02,370 would you agree with that well not which 1044 00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:03,540 is the other government you mentioned 1045 00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:07,230 South American obviously not so I know 1046 00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:08,460 there are lots of countries in South 1047 00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:10,830 America sleeper but what the point of 1048 00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:15,180 making is if there there's a fair about 1049 00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:18,600 it why the British and possibly the 1050 00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:22,560 Americans so secretive what's going what 1051 00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,750 it would be you would assume that they'd 1052 00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:26,520 all be saved in the same hymn sheet or 1053 00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:30,960 not yeah well I think it's a good 1054 00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:32,520 question so firstly yes I would agree 1055 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,670 that there are many governments who are 1056 00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,140 farmer minded about it and the French 1057 00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:39,720 certainly third I think they're their 1058 00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:41,700 official investigative group is still 1059 00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:44,220 ongoing actually I'm not sure ever 1060 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:47,520 disbanded but the Belgium the Belgians 1061 00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:51,210 of course have been were extremely 1062 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:53,430 historically vocal about a series of 1063 00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,290 sightings the wave of triangular-shaped 1064 00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:58,200 UFOs that were seen over over Belgium 1065 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:02,040 and that fateful night and so much so 1066 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:03,570 that they went on bloody national 1067 00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:05,610 television and show people the radar 1068 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:09,660 tapes so yes I would agree that some 1069 00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:12,570 governments are more and more open about 1070 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:15,990 it the question of why some governments 1071 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:18,570 are not I think it basically boils down 1072 00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:21,570 to what those governments might have to 1073 00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:26,550 gain so and I'm just talking off the top 1074 00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:28,860 of my head here I heard I but I do 1075 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:32,280 believe that it's quite possible that 1076 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:35,250 the more developed countries militarily 1077 00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:39,450 may have more more at stake and I think 1078 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:41,790 what I mean by that is there are 1079 00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,450 obviously military learnings that the 1080 00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,940 government and our armed forces can make 1081 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:49,980 from this phenomenon and indeed that's 1082 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:53,850 what project condign and it is really 1083 00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:55,740 well worth a little read if you can go 1084 00:55:00,820 --> 00:54:58,410 download it from the mo DS website is is 1085 00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,830 really well worth well worth a look 1086 00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:03,660 because it shows that knew the 1087 00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:05,910 government has considered learning from 1088 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:08,760 this phenomenon to apply to military 1089 00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:11,369 applications and and I would suggest 1090 00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,560 that's probably why they were they work 1091 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,180 they're probably more secret about it 1092 00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:17,040 I'm certainly not proposing that the 1093 00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:18,540 government has a crashed flying saucer 1094 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:28,130 I also think that the mo D has been 1095 00:55:35,570 --> 00:55:30,750 quite canny in how they've dealt with 1096 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:35,580 this so the term unidentified flying 1097 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:38,880 object has basically been dispensed with 1098 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:42,210 and unidentified aerial phenomena and 1099 00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:45,300 there's no common parlance in government 1100 00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:49,710 well certainly in the mo D but the 1101 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,150 effect of doing that it's actually quite 1102 00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,040 convenient because if somebody decides 1103 00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,440 to place a Freedom of Information Act 1104 00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:57,720 request asking for information that our 1105 00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:00,690 government has on UFOs basically means 1106 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:04,950 they can quite legitimately say because 1107 00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:06,570 you didn't ask for unidentified aerial 1108 00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:08,430 phenomena all right and how many people 1109 00:56:11,050 --> 00:56:10,020 in the general public are going to be 1110 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:11,060 thinking oh I know 1111 00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,930 unidentified aerial for not it's quite 1112 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:14,700 interesting Hillary Clinton used the 1113 00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:17,490 term recently at an interview and make 1114 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:19,190 the point that that is the phrase that 1115 00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,510 she's aware of so she's obviously been 1116 00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:23,280 briefed on the subject by her campaign 1117 00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:29,520 manager but it's it's certainly you know 1118 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,320 it's a clever way of getting around the 1119 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:33,119 stuff I know her German Jenny mentioned 1120 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:33,840 it oh really 1121 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:35,850 no no murder unidentified aerial 1122 00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:39,270 phenomena and the other point worth 1123 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:41,820 mentioning is that the the way in which 1124 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:44,700 they they they the government would 1125 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:46,290 investigate reports of this sort of 1126 00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:49,290 thing is that they will often consult a 1127 00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:52,380 private contractor a private contractor 1128 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:54,840 who runs our radar systems in the UK 1129 00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:57,090 whereas the government is obliged to 1130 00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:59,010 give you whatever information that you 1131 00:57:02,600 --> 00:56:59,460 ask 1132 00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:02,610 or or at least to consider it this 1133 00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:08,100 private contractor isn't so I do think 1134 00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:09,990 that I do think there is a possibility 1135 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:13,140 that the government although I hope you 1136 00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:14,490 working at the EMA D and I know they 1137 00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:16,790 have in deeper than their UFO desk 1138 00:57:21,830 --> 00:57:19,560 although that's all well and true it 1139 00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:21,840 doesn't mean they're not employing an 1140 00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:23,910 external agency to continue this work 1141 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:27,800 and I wouldn't discount that possibility 1142 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:31,290 thank you okay then years ago you know 1143 00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:32,490 when you first started coming 1144 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:36,230 inquisitive many strange things happen 1145 00:57:43,310 --> 00:57:39,900 oh I've had numerous accounts of see 1146 00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:43,320 paralysis strange electronic sounds in 1147 00:58:02,650 --> 00:57:59,690 the bedroom just wandering strangers 1148 00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:02,660 since you started 1149 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:06,150 III I'm so I'm certainly aware of a 1150 00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:09,180 great many people so John keel John keel 1151 00:58:14,570 --> 00:58:12,270 is a researcher Reedus books it's yeah 1152 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:14,580 really really good example of somebody 1153 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:17,340 who's looked at this phenomenon and 1154 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:18,810 encounter it many many many strange 1155 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:21,390 things I think the problem with these 1156 00:58:25,550 --> 00:58:23,730 sorts of experiences as I so I always 1157 00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:25,560 say to people there's nobody who wants 1158 00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:28,380 to see it more than I do because you 1159 00:58:33,590 --> 00:58:31,350 know I write about it I I love I love 1160 00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,600 everything about these sorts of subjects 1161 00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:35,700 that's why I write about them I've never 1162 00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:36,780 seen a ghost 1163 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:40,140 I've certainly never seen up close you 1164 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:42,690 know a landed UFO or a flying saucer 1165 00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,250 I've seen some unexplained lights but I 1166 00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:48,240 would imagine many people have and 1167 00:58:51,050 --> 00:58:49,710 there's no so do i but i will say is 1168 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:51,060 this nobody wants to see it more than me 1169 00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:54,450 and I'm not really in the same way that 1170 00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:56,670 you know pauline Combe sees this object 1171 00:59:02,060 --> 00:58:59,010 or this you know the children see the 1172 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:02,070 subject I'm not but I'm greatly envious 1173 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:04,410 of people people who have because I 1174 00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:07,530 think these experiences actually as many 1175 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:11,910 as they are are very special and 1176 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:14,730 special because they're rare that's why 1177 00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:16,650 they're special they're so rare and I 1178 00:59:25,279 --> 00:59:20,190 would love to see something but done yet 1179 00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:25,289 is blue it oh yeah nice just listening 1180 00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,990 to kind of got more requests oh ok first 1181 00:59:35,059 --> 00:59:33,240 of all when you you know when you say 1182 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:35,069 the government and you might you might 1183 00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:37,530 to consider you know the actual 1184 00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,710 hierarchy like we're not I said we're 1185 00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:42,359 not a hundred percent sure that would 1186 00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,099 unify a lot of research that the 1187 00:59:49,819 --> 00:59:46,799 government are necessarily at the top of 1188 00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:49,829 the hierarchy so uh maybe propose the 1189 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,359 possibility that depending on the level 1190 00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:55,530 depending on the level in the area of 1191 00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:56,099 government 1192 01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,500 some people might you know some people 1193 01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,440 might have she not know what's going on 1194 01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:04,020 themselves for example look I'm not 1195 01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,089 saying this is necessarily true but in 1196 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:08,960 the u.s. the CIA has suffered 1197 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:11,460 30-something levels and the president 1198 01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:15,210 can access something like number 17 or 1199 01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:17,609 whatever I know it's the need to know 1200 01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:22,559 yeah point the point is the point is 1201 01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:26,880 very well made because you know it's 1202 01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:29,900 quite interesting Tony Blair 1203 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:32,579 specifically requested a briefing on the 1204 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:33,510 subject of UFOs 1205 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:38,490 so did Winston Churchill before he was 1206 01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:40,770 elected David Cameron said he would look 1207 01:00:47,569 --> 01:00:43,680 into it publicly he said that I don't 1208 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:47,579 know if you ever did Hillary Clinton has 1209 01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,569 now said that she will Bill Clinton Bill 1210 01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:54,480 Clinton at the time plaintiff did and 1211 01:01:00,620 --> 01:00:56,819 the camp and Clinton's current campaign 1212 01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,630 manager claims that they did like one of 1213 01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:02,760 his biggest regrets working at for Obama 1214 01:01:07,309 --> 01:01:05,220 is that he he wasn't able to open the 1215 01:01:09,799 --> 01:01:07,319 files but that he wants to push this 1216 01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,809 through now are these people saying this 1217 01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,059 because they think it's somehow popular 1218 01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,400 with the electorate because so many 1219 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:16,859 people believe well maybe maybe not 1220 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:20,190 because I don't know how many if I I 1221 01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,250 know a great many people working in 1222 01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:24,480 politics 1223 01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,580 you if I was to go out to one of their 1224 01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:32,640 gatherings and start talking about UFOs 1225 01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:36,960 I probably get a few laughs so an indeed 1226 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:39,300 if you look at the David Cameron pledged 1227 01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,250 that well it answered that he gave in a 1228 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:42,720 he felt obliged to make a joke of the 1229 01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,250 subject at the time and the question got 1230 01:01:49,099 --> 01:01:47,520 a great many laughs so but to come back 1231 01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:49,109 to your point about compartmentalized 1232 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:52,910 information yes I in the United States 1233 01:01:59,240 --> 01:01:55,170 that's absolutely the case there are 1234 01:02:03,170 --> 01:01:59,250 projects that yes yes but I do think 1235 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:03,180 that it has the UFO phenomenon being 1236 01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:05,970 used to manipulate people and has 1237 01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:07,740 information about the subject being 1238 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:09,900 leaked in a way which is designed to 1239 01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:13,130 influence people absolutely it has and 1240 01:02:18,980 --> 01:02:16,140 you only have to look at the way in 1241 01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,990 which the US government and the CIA in 1242 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:21,660 particular deliberately used the myth of 1243 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:24,570 the UFO phenomenon during the Cold War 1244 01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:27,450 to test fly their military aircraft 1245 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:29,430 because of course when they were flying 1246 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:32,310 the u2 ads of the testing facility in 1247 01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:35,850 Groom Lake Nevada they basically had a 1248 01:02:40,550 --> 01:02:38,700 ready-made explanation in their hands if 1249 01:02:42,380 --> 01:02:40,560 anyone decided to see one of these 1250 01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,390 unpainted objects and report it as a 1251 01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:44,700 flying disc that's what it was reported 1252 01:02:48,849 --> 01:02:46,859 as it's a bits of flying it's also of 1253 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:48,859 course where they overstep the line 1254 01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:51,510 actually quite recently I think was last 1255 01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:53,310 year maybe the year before there's been 1256 01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:55,470 the CIA bent out on Twitter don't know 1257 01:03:00,050 --> 01:02:57,690 how many of you saw it and said remember 1258 01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,060 all those sightings of flying discs back 1259 01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:03,200 in the 60s and 70s quote that was us 1260 01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:07,560 well all of the research that's been 1261 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:09,270 done plotting the sightings of flying 1262 01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:11,730 discs over America from the summer of 1263 01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:15,119 1947 right up to the pretty much you 1264 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:17,940 know in the 60s 70s and 80s all of them 1265 01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:20,010 all of that work shows that the 1266 01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:22,560 sightings did not overwhelmingly occur 1267 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:25,020 on the flight path of the flight paths 1268 01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:27,090 of the u2 and there are other and there 1269 01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:29,460 other aircraft so they have an 1270 01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:30,900 explanation at the time they're quite 1271 01:03:34,279 --> 01:03:33,030 willing to use that and twisting it 1272 01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:34,289 around those yeah and now 1273 01:03:37,669 --> 01:03:36,359 and in UFOs he was just exactly and now 1274 01:03:39,439 --> 01:03:37,679 they're quite happy because what's 1275 01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,449 what's that what's happened is these 1276 01:03:43,489 --> 01:03:41,579 sightings still those sightings continue 1277 01:03:45,499 --> 01:03:43,499 to this day not just like light 1278 01:03:47,479 --> 01:03:45,509 sightings of flying discs but sightings 1279 01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,489 of triangular aircraft and of course 1280 01:03:51,409 --> 01:03:49,140 everyone who's looked into this subject 1281 01:03:52,819 --> 01:03:51,419 well it may be very tempting for people 1282 01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:52,829 to say oh yes sightings of large 1283 01:03:57,229 --> 01:03:55,319 triangular aircraft began back in the 1284 01:03:59,539 --> 01:03:57,239 early 1980s well no they didn't actually 1285 01:04:01,699 --> 01:03:59,549 if you go well back the sightings of 1286 01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:01,709 these large triangular aircraft with 1287 01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:04,229 lights at each corner go way way way 1288 01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:06,359 back these are this isn't some sort of 1289 01:04:10,579 --> 01:04:09,150 new phenomenon the reason it became very 1290 01:04:13,099 --> 01:04:10,589 public is because of what happened in 1291 01:04:15,259 --> 01:04:13,109 Belgium that's why it became so public 1292 01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:15,269 and really put it on the map of course 1293 01:04:17,539 --> 01:04:16,380 they're suspected stealth bomber has 1294 01:04:19,009 --> 01:04:17,549 something to do with it but I think it 1295 01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:19,019 probably had nothing to do others 1296 01:04:24,709 --> 01:04:21,059 what was I did in the three cases was it 1297 01:04:26,989 --> 01:04:24,719 on what South Wales right so this is I 1298 01:04:32,299 --> 01:04:26,999 miss talking about a case which occurred 1299 01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:32,309 in South Wales in 1983 January 1983 when 1300 01:04:37,789 --> 01:04:35,249 many people saw I think what you call 1301 01:04:43,999 --> 01:04:37,799 the night of the triangles this was many 1302 01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:44,009 people saw two very large moat but some 1303 01:04:47,779 --> 01:04:45,119 of the reports would say they were very 1304 01:04:51,739 --> 01:04:47,789 large to very large triangular shaped 1305 01:04:55,429 --> 01:04:51,749 objects with lights at each corner over 1306 01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,439 over Swansea Valley well these these 1307 01:05:01,909 --> 01:04:57,299 these craft as many people probably know 1308 01:05:05,779 --> 01:05:01,919 we also seen in Cardiff all over the 1309 01:05:07,489 --> 01:05:05,789 Gower and what was immensely impressive 1310 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:07,499 to me when I first became aware of this 1311 01:05:10,279 --> 01:05:08,729 because I was actually doing some 1312 01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:10,289 research at the library to the Evening 1313 01:05:14,209 --> 01:05:12,059 Post and I came across there's a picture 1314 01:05:16,759 --> 01:05:14,219 I think many people have seen already of 1315 01:05:18,949 --> 01:05:16,769 two triangles right next to each other 1316 01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:18,959 but this lady had steps in and drawn and 1317 01:05:24,649 --> 01:05:23,429 I followed up on that and I remembered 1318 01:05:29,329 --> 01:05:24,659 somebody wrote to me telling me that 1319 01:05:31,489 --> 01:05:29,339 they'd been driving driving along just 1320 01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:31,499 as he come over the the common aisle 1321 01:05:37,399 --> 01:05:34,859 down to the fair would common and they'd 1322 01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:37,409 seen two very large objects that were 1323 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:39,989 sort of pointing towards each other over 1324 01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:42,809 the road and she said they were a very 1325 01:05:46,339 --> 01:05:45,059 high treetop level and they were really 1326 01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:46,349 really low 1327 01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:49,140 humming the sound coming from them and a 1328 01:05:53,859 --> 01:05:51,420 lit up like a Christmas tree or the word 1329 01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:53,869 cheese lit up like a Christmas tree 1330 01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:56,339 there's another one we all know do not 1331 01:06:02,749 --> 01:05:58,380 see there I'll go back to my notes see 1332 01:06:07,339 --> 01:06:02,759 if you've got 22 witness references now 1333 01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:07,349 so 23 22 23 people from that nylund's 1334 01:06:16,089 --> 01:06:08,729 many of them saw them at the same time 1335 01:06:18,019 --> 01:06:16,099 at different parts of swansea yeah yeah 1336 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:18,029 and what's really interesting about 1337 01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:22,130 these reports is that they were you know 1338 01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,209 everyone described seeing these very 1339 01:06:29,539 --> 01:06:26,579 large triangular objects and they 1340 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:29,549 continued to be seen and of course today 1341 01:06:34,189 --> 01:06:31,650 we live in the world where any one of us 1342 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:34,199 can go down the shop if we want and buy 1343 01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:37,410 a sophisticated drone and we all know 1344 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:39,150 they make us a humming sound and we can 1345 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:42,209 fly them around and now the question in 1346 01:06:49,099 --> 01:06:45,089 my mind is did they have that sort of 1347 01:06:50,449 --> 01:06:49,109 technology back then well I'm sure they 1348 01:06:52,219 --> 01:06:50,459 weren't selling it over the counter 1349 01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:52,229 because I think I've wanted to buy one 1350 01:06:57,859 --> 01:06:55,799 if they had at that time but they they 1351 01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:57,869 the question is did the military have 1352 01:07:01,819 --> 01:07:00,359 that technology I mean have you 1353 01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:01,829 certainly had stealth bombers and all of 1354 01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:04,049 that but so did that that's what that's 1355 01:07:08,569 --> 01:07:05,249 an interesting question because I think 1356 01:07:10,819 --> 01:07:08,579 it would be churlish for anyone to just 1357 01:07:13,609 --> 01:07:10,829 say right what people saw that night was 1358 01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,619 a drone and that's it and you know but I 1359 01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:14,880 also think it'd be churlish to just to 1360 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:17,160 discount the idea because I've always 1361 01:07:23,509 --> 01:07:19,609 thought to myself why would you fly a 1362 01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:23,519 top-secret aircraft over a heavily 1363 01:07:28,219 --> 01:07:27,209 built-up area like Swansea they took 1364 01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:28,229 like a Christmas tree 1365 01:07:38,059 --> 01:07:34,140 that's exactly what you want to do and 1366 01:07:42,759 --> 01:07:38,069 what I mean by that is most drones are 1367 01:07:46,969 --> 01:07:42,769 used to gather information about people 1368 01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,979 living in built-up areas so you know you 1369 01:07:51,289 --> 01:07:48,630 go out to the deed they use them in the 1370 01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,299 desert they use it to to listen and on 1371 01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,299 to people to target people and if that 1372 01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:56,160 is your objective if that's what you 1373 01:07:59,720 --> 01:07:57,720 want to do then probably 1374 01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:59,730 yes the first thing you would do is fly 1375 01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:01,560 it over built a barrier if you were 1376 01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:06,240 certain that it wouldn't be unsafe so I 1377 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,460 not one of these people who says you 1378 01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:10,260 know what the scene that night had to 1379 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:14,760 had to have been something on it that's 1380 01:08:18,020 --> 01:08:16,410 necessarily unexplained it might well be 1381 01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,030 that we can explain it but I would say 1382 01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:21,600 this of the witnesses I spoke to and 1383 01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:23,400 you've obviously got you've you've done 1384 01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:25,140 a wonderful piece of work here you've 1385 01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:28,710 found so many people who saw it many of 1386 01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:30,330 them do speak about something very big 1387 01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:34,020 and certainly the witnesses I spoke to 1388 01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:36,030 spoke about something very big and two 1389 01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:39,510 of them as well and I find I find that 1390 01:08:42,740 --> 01:08:41,640 more difficult I find that more 1391 01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,750 difficult because if there's one thing 1392 01:08:50,750 --> 01:08:45,120 we know about drones is it tend to be 1393 01:08:54,290 --> 01:08:50,760 there once or 3/3 a huge one your jet 1394 01:08:59,770 --> 01:08:54,300 plane size to just about then they saw 1395 01:09:02,289 --> 01:08:59,780 the two smaller ones all those different 1396 01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:02,299 different girls 1397 01:09:06,460 --> 01:09:05,089 but either way you know as I stand by 1398 01:09:09,519 --> 01:09:06,470 what I said at the beginning which is 1399 01:09:11,710 --> 01:09:09,529 that are these things real absolutely 1400 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:11,720 yes and do our government know about 1401 01:09:16,329 --> 01:09:13,850 them absolutely yes and do they want to 1402 01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:16,339 keep them secret from this I think but 1403 01:09:23,170 --> 01:09:19,190 yes it's a very good book all to write a 1404 01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:23,180 pale horse like bill but Caviezel of 1405 01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:28,609 this right yeah yeah what's it called 1406 01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:30,830 again to write the pale horse to ride a 1407 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:32,720 power horse well the very first 1408 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:35,480 disability research as he liked in the 1409 01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:44,930 past I'll look it up I'll look it up but 1410 01:09:51,309 --> 01:09:48,950 I I just realized that I said to you 1411 01:09:53,019 --> 01:09:51,319 earlier that I had a statement I'd read 1412 01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:53,029 you if you'd like to hear it I'll 1413 01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:55,430 happily read you this is this is a 1414 01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,010 statement sent by one of the original 1415 01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:00,400 witnesses to the broad Haven UFO 1416 01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:06,260 sighting and this is from a chap whose 1417 01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:13,400 name is David Davis he says on the 4th 1418 01:10:19,330 --> 01:10:17,000 of February 1977 a damp miserable day 1419 01:10:22,690 --> 01:10:19,340 brought Haven School in Pembrokeshire 1420 01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,700 receives a visitation that today 38 1421 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:25,120 years later still remains unexplained 1422 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:28,930 the object was pearlescent silvery gray 1423 01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:32,210 approximately 40 feet long torpedo shape 1424 01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:34,670 torpedo cigar shaped with an upper dome 1425 01:10:38,830 --> 01:10:36,950 section that covered the third central 1426 01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:38,840 third of the vehicle and which was 1427 01:10:43,870 --> 01:10:41,840 topped with a red pulsating light I was 1428 01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:43,880 the last of a dozen or so children to 1429 01:10:48,190 --> 01:10:46,100 see the object on that day and although 1430 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:48,200 my particular sighting only lasted just 1431 01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:50,360 a few seconds what I saw that day 1432 01:10:53,650 --> 01:10:52,790 imprinted itself on my memory like a 1433 01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:53,660 photograph 1434 01:10:58,420 --> 01:10:56,260 I have never in the last 38 years 1435 01:11:00,960 --> 01:10:58,430 exaggerated or sensationalized the 1436 01:11:03,490 --> 01:11:00,970 account of what I saw and never 1437 01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:03,500 suggested that what we saw was of 1438 01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:05,960 extraterrestrial origin and the truth of 1439 01:11:10,930 --> 01:11:08,360 the matter is that despite years of 1440 01:11:12,730 --> 01:11:10,940 extensive research I am still not really 1441 01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:12,740 any closer to a satisfactory explanation 1442 01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:14,020 for what we 1443 01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:18,790 so many suggestions have been made the 1444 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:20,680 what we saw was either an agricultural 1445 01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:23,050 vehicle an aircraft from nearby RAF 1446 01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,390 braudy I'd like to state categorically 1447 01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:28,480 that this is not the case as the 1448 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:30,070 majority of the children of the school 1449 01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,530 myself included came from farming 1450 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:34,480 backgrounds and would have been able to 1451 01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:37,450 identify any agricultural vehicle and 1452 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,670 because of braudys proximity we were 1453 01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:42,880 also familiar with almost every RAF 1454 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:46,180 aircraft in the skies it was also 1455 01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:48,850 independently verified that no vehicle 1456 01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:50,740 was at the location of the sighting on 1457 01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:52,840 that day and that because of the boggy 1458 01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:55,150 ground it was impossible for any vehicle 1459 01:12:02,370 --> 01:11:58,930 to be there our sighting was not the 1460 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:02,380 last visit to the school though and I've 1461 01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:04,210 been known to the children and most of 1462 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:06,580 the small community the craft returned a 1463 01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:08,890 few days later and was on this occasion 1464 01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:11,800 seen by a teacher and three of the 1465 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:16,120 canteen staff finally I just like to add 1466 01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:23,650 that we witnesses myself included myself 1467 01:12:29,610 --> 01:12:26,020 especially as the most vocal have had to 1468 01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:29,620 endure 38 years of accusations for lying 1469 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:33,220 and some of the most horrific bullying 1470 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:36,250 imaginable yet throughout all that I 1471 01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:38,290 have stuck steadfastly to the account 1472 01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:40,990 I gave right from the start and I shall 1473 01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:43,150 continue to do so until my last breath 1474 01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:46,390 or until this matter is solved once and 1475 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:47,500 for all 1476 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:51,010 signed David Davis when I asked mr. 1477 01:13:00,300 --> 01:12:54,490 Davis about any potential lod interest 1478 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:00,310 he said there were certainly mo D staff 1479 01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:04,090 from raf brodie who came to ask us a few 1480 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:08,860 questions although i'm unsure as to 1481 01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:10,690 whether this was part of an official 1482 01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,200 inquiry or not and may have been just an 1483 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:21,650 perhaps we'll never know but 1484 01:13:27,710 --> 01:13:23,970 I think it's different for everybody to 1485 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:27,720 make their own minds up well when did 1486 01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:30,330 you were contact him that was in October 1487 01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:32,750 last year 1488 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:37,830 yeah yeah so we had a root of David L 1489 01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:39,570 Richards you brought the book UFO wails 1490 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:43,440 I have yeah he contacted David Davis in 1491 01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,610 about 2001 11:00 service same thing also 1492 01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:49,920 you didn't read a statement telling out 1493 01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:52,230 he just they would give us a talk last 1494 01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:55,110 year about it well if you want to read 1495 01:14:01,820 --> 01:13:58,380 more of what you said you only did that 1496 01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:01,830 because then when this when this book 1497 01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:04,920 came out my novel the watchers from this 1498 01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:08,790 came out in October last year we were 1499 01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:11,280 contacted by journalists and actually 1500 01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:13,680 what happened is that David spoke to the 1501 01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,750 press so if you go online you can google 1502 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:18,000 for tape and UFO and Google News and 1503 01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,280 you'll see that the full article and 1504 01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,840 you'll see there's more Ysleta more 1505 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:23,400 about it there as well this works well 1506 01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,450 with the luck it's it's quite 1507 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:26,400 interesting Stevie would you end up to 1508 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:33,210 you sorry could you stayed a bit low 1509 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:35,130 just that we have a new subject 1510 01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,850 many years this seems to be from my 1511 01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:40,080 point of view that seems to be that 1512 01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:46,110 always a paranormal element to so much 1513 01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,390 so that the old hypothesis of nuts and 1514 01:14:57,230 --> 01:14:52,080 bolts seems to be falling away it seems 1515 01:14:59,570 --> 01:14:57,240 to be coming in to interline with the 1516 01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:59,580 nick bostrom idea of a kind of 1517 01:15:02,990 --> 01:15:01,320 simulation hypothesis where we're kind 1518 01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,000 of living in a matrix that that's had a 1519 01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:05,040 lot of traction in the last month or so 1520 01:15:09,740 --> 01:15:07,470 with Elon Musk a mountain said to 1521 01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:09,750 probably get in a major 1522 01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:12,670 bearing that in mind what do you think 1523 01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,380 is going on do you think and also what 1524 01:15:23,820 --> 01:15:19,840 do you think to do all the other the 1525 01:15:27,390 --> 01:15:23,830 other of the box cameras so what so I 1526 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:27,400 think it's going on given the many and I 1527 01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:29,050 just met because I don't think the 1528 01:15:35,790 --> 01:15:31,240 powers that be or the pose that think 1529 01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,800 they'd be I think that's why it hasn't 1530 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:37,600 been there seems to be a drip feed of 1531 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:39,490 disclosure but I think they won't 1532 01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:42,850 disclose we're not really okay it's a 1533 01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:46,560 good question and Steve I I think that I 1534 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:49,300 think that if you go back through all of 1535 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:53,290 the the the official documents on this 1536 01:15:59,220 --> 01:15:57,130 it's really quite clear that there's a 1537 01:16:01,680 --> 01:15:59,230 there's a huge amount of confusion in 1538 01:16:05,150 --> 01:16:01,690 government on this and there's also a 1539 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:05,160 huge unwillingness for people to 1540 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:07,810 demonstrate an interest even if they are 1541 01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:09,970 interested because they're afraid of 1542 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:14,860 ridicule but I I do agree that if you 1543 01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:16,690 were to do so there are two there are 1544 01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:18,760 two parts to this so if you if you 1545 01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:19,960 accept as I do 1546 01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:22,420 but if many of these sightings have this 1547 01:16:28,290 --> 01:16:24,220 sort of undercurrent of paranormal 1548 01:16:30,990 --> 01:16:28,300 phenomena going on it makes it even more 1549 01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:31,000 difficult for people to talk about it 1550 01:16:34,650 --> 01:16:32,350 because although people can get their 1551 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:34,660 heads around the craft from outer space 1552 01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:37,330 may be visiting us the truth of the 1553 01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:39,190 matter is if you talk to a witness of 1554 01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:42,790 the UFO especially a witness to a close 1555 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:45,760 encounter you'll quickly discover a 1556 01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:47,290 number of things you'll quickly discover 1557 01:16:52,110 --> 01:16:50,680 that person has the tap perhaps seen a 1558 01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:52,120 ghost in their time or believes they've 1559 01:16:57,260 --> 01:16:53,950 seen an apparition you'll quickly 1560 01:17:00,570 --> 01:16:57,270 discover they have a sensitivity to 1561 01:17:02,460 --> 01:17:00,580 electricity that they may have seen 1562 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:02,470 globes of light around their home or 1563 01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:06,250 nearby that they may have woken in the 1564 01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:08,940 night the sense of presence in the room 1565 01:17:13,650 --> 01:17:11,590 perhaps or perhaps not paralyzed or 1566 01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:13,660 suffering from you know sleep paralysis 1567 01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:19,150 but these things coalesce and I think it 1568 01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,070 would be churlish of us 1569 01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:24,400 to discount the possibility that there 1570 01:17:28,649 --> 01:17:26,050 are simply some people who are capable 1571 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:28,659 of seeing things that other people are 1572 01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:33,210 not capable of seeing Stephen I've 1573 01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:35,860 that's we've come to that conclusion as 1574 01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:37,030 well because we've interviewed a few 1575 01:17:42,209 --> 01:17:40,540 people know well who say they display 1576 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:42,219 well they've got a certain amount of 1577 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:44,650 psychic ability they just sense other 1578 01:17:50,189 --> 01:17:47,650 things and they've seen seen UFOs it's 1579 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:50,199 it is it is it just it is a common theme 1580 01:17:58,109 --> 01:17:55,060 and the other thing I've detected is 1581 01:18:00,300 --> 01:17:58,119 this association with electricity so 1582 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:00,310 people who are letter are electrically 1583 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:04,690 hypersensitive that tend to be sometimes 1584 01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:06,280 it's not always as sometimes living 1585 01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:08,590 close to electrical pylons of things 1586 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:11,710 like that but the there was a there was 1587 01:18:15,629 --> 01:18:13,210 a connection here that I don't profess 1588 01:18:17,819 --> 01:18:15,639 to be able to understand or explain but 1589 01:18:19,979 --> 01:18:17,829 I do think and I'll give you an example 1590 01:18:22,109 --> 01:18:19,989 there was the case you may have seen it 1591 01:18:24,629 --> 01:18:22,119 in your files but there was going back 1592 01:18:27,689 --> 01:18:24,639 to the 1990s probably the late 1990s 1593 01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:27,699 though there's a lady that I met who had 1594 01:18:32,370 --> 01:18:29,320 seen what she described as an object 1595 01:18:36,060 --> 01:18:32,380 hovering over this in Petra queeth 1596 01:18:36,689 --> 01:18:36,070 hovering over the house opposite she 1597 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:36,699 woke in the night 1598 01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:39,250 a bit like the hotel yeah oh yeah in 1599 01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:42,760 yeah and she saw this what she described 1600 01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:45,550 as a Michelin Man hovering over the roof 1601 01:18:50,459 --> 01:18:48,520 which sounds absolutely absurd right of 1602 01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,469 the face of it and she said it left a 1603 01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,239 patch where this thing had been and I 1604 01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:53,920 sucked her wet I went to have a look in 1605 01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,780 it but it looked to me like that a sort 1606 01:18:59,760 --> 01:18:58,000 of patch that have been left because of 1607 01:19:03,720 --> 01:18:59,770 the chimney above it was some sort of oh 1608 01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,730 I don't know but all I do know is that 1609 01:19:07,919 --> 01:19:06,000 after she told me about the sighting I 1610 01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:07,929 quickly learned that she'd had other 1611 01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,420 sightings of strange things and this you 1612 01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:12,159 know this interest in psychic phenomena 1613 01:19:18,569 --> 01:19:16,360 and I I do I absolutely do not believe 1614 01:19:21,629 --> 01:19:18,579 that we're dealing with people here who 1615 01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,639 have overactive imaginations or anything 1616 01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:23,199 like that I generally don't believe that 1617 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:26,230 and I understand I understand why people 1618 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:28,030 who are not familiar with the subject 1619 01:19:32,069 --> 01:19:30,610 might leap upon that and say that's the 1620 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:32,079 case when I had 1621 01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:33,250 and they might say that because 1622 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:34,449 basically when you're talking about 1623 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:36,760 evidence you've basically got three four 1624 01:19:40,620 --> 01:19:38,920 four sorts of evidence you've got you've 1625 01:19:42,569 --> 01:19:40,630 got a witness testimony you've got 1626 01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,579 photographic testimony you've got 1627 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:45,040 physical traces evidence and then 1628 01:19:49,770 --> 01:19:47,290 finally you've got the weight of all the 1629 01:19:52,339 --> 01:19:49,780 evidence to the contrary that says none 1630 01:19:55,379 --> 01:19:52,349 of this has happened to me and therefore 1631 01:19:56,970 --> 01:19:55,389 when you weigh it all up to those people 1632 01:20:00,030 --> 01:19:56,980 who haven't experienced it that makes 1633 01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:00,040 that but that makes that has a powerful 1634 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:02,230 difference but I would contend that when 1635 01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:06,730 you take when you take the evidence from 1636 01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:08,980 our own experience and when you take the 1637 01:20:13,589 --> 01:20:11,710 evidence from photographic work or when 1638 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:13,599 you take the evidence from ground traces 1639 01:20:17,089 --> 01:20:16,449 radiation marks and you bring it all 1640 01:20:20,879 --> 01:20:17,099 together 1641 01:20:23,220 --> 01:20:20,889 that evidence outweighs what they would 1642 01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:23,230 say has never happened and I think that 1643 01:20:26,850 --> 01:20:24,840 is steadily the conclusion that 1644 01:20:28,830 --> 01:20:26,860 governments who have studied this and 1645 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:28,840 commissioned top-secret studies of it 1646 01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:31,570 are coming to and so now I think that 1647 01:20:36,030 --> 01:20:33,510 will be a day when people when people 1648 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:36,040 think oh I remember me laughed about all 1649 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:38,050 those people who saw those things you 1650 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:40,090 know and will simply understand it but I 1651 01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:41,290 think we're a stage where we don't 1652 01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:50,920 understand it just yet flying saucers 1653 01:20:55,049 --> 01:20:53,230 making Devon travel distances we're 1654 01:20:57,390 --> 01:20:55,059 really a lot of it is in the dimensional 1655 01:20:59,339 --> 01:20:57,400 where it's like we talk about spirits 1656 01:21:01,410 --> 01:20:59,349 and course to some people just look at 1657 01:21:03,209 --> 01:21:01,420 you stupid but if you actually Greek the 1658 01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,219 universe down in the frequencies which 1659 01:21:07,379 --> 01:21:05,199 is what this these are just 1660 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:07,389 consciousness or entities that have I 1661 01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:09,250 breathed in a different frequency and 1662 01:21:14,669 --> 01:21:12,820 the occasionally come into our yeah and 1663 01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:14,679 that it's it's a compelling theory right 1664 01:21:18,959 --> 01:21:16,300 because scientists are now saying that 1665 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:18,969 you are able to influence that as a 1666 01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:20,650 quantum level you were able to influence 1667 01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:21,940 something happening somewhere else I 1668 01:21:26,669 --> 01:21:24,730 even touching it I hang on what it 1669 01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:26,679 sounds like something out of a science 1670 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:28,270 fiction film but there you know suddenly 1671 01:21:32,339 --> 01:21:30,250 they're saying so what's what's possible 1672 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:32,349 today also what's impossible today can 1673 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:34,570 sometimes suddenly become possible and 1674 01:21:38,069 --> 01:21:35,710 that's why I think when you're studying 1675 01:21:39,959 --> 01:21:38,079 this subject it's probably it's prudent 1676 01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:39,969 thing not says not to just rush to 1677 01:21:42,180 --> 01:21:41,020 conclusions they've got to be this 1678 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:42,190 they've got to be that 1679 01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:44,170 treatise we don't know whenever this 1680 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:45,400 anyway you know you're not governments 1681 01:21:49,770 --> 01:21:47,410 don't know I think they generally don't 1682 01:21:53,850 --> 01:21:49,780 know if they don't know how are we gonna 1683 01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,860 know but I understand yeah can I take 1684 01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:55,360 you back to Bristol for this cares were 1685 01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:59,500 all of us getting out we were used but 1686 01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:00,900 now the people said to me 1687 01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:03,100 people laughed about all that mean 1688 01:22:07,709 --> 01:22:04,719 everything shouldn't have laughed you 1689 01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:07,719 know people people people in the area 1690 01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:09,310 what what's really interesting about all 1691 01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:10,900 the people who live near ripest and farm 1692 01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:15,340 even to this day is that they're really 1693 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:19,630 open minded about it so they're all I it 1694 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:21,370 was odd bit when I was I was finishing 1695 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:24,250 the book and I was staying and I hired a 1696 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:25,810 little cottage and I went there and I I 1697 01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:29,770 was working on it and I spoke to some 1698 01:22:36,209 --> 01:22:33,820 people and they were telling me about 1699 01:22:37,709 --> 01:22:36,219 how they'd seen it behave before hotel 1700 01:22:40,350 --> 01:22:37,719 under on the cliffs was supposed to be 1701 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:40,360 haunted by a white lady and I said what 1702 01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:41,530 do you think of this story about the 1703 01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:43,090 white lady and you know there are a 1704 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:46,780 couple of people laughing in the bar and 1705 01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:48,010 there was a chap sort of hunched over 1706 01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,750 his beer in the corner I can see he was 1707 01:22:55,380 --> 01:22:52,480 earwigging and after they went away he 1708 01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:55,390 called me open he said to me you're 1709 01:22:59,970 --> 01:22:56,710 interested in all these stories about 1710 01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:59,980 UFOs he's a yeah I got a story to tell 1711 01:23:04,770 --> 01:23:01,510 you and he starts telling me about his 1712 01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:04,780 own sighting and what was interesting to 1713 01:23:08,459 --> 01:23:06,580 me was that this small community was 1714 01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:08,469 quite happy to laugh about the white 1715 01:23:11,939 --> 01:23:10,060 lady on the cliffs that someone might 1716 01:23:12,810 --> 01:23:11,949 have might a lot of seen but in the next 1717 01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:12,820 breath they're going to sit down and 1718 01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:16,540 tell you all about the UFO sighting and 1719 01:23:20,670 --> 01:23:18,790 I think you know it's a great many 1720 01:23:22,380 --> 01:23:20,680 people there who have who have seen 1721 01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:22,390 things I actually bumped into a woman 1722 01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:23,830 who said to me she doesn't she just 1723 01:23:27,959 --> 01:23:25,750 moved there she was walking her dogs and 1724 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:27,969 she said to me she had absolutely no 1725 01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:30,370 idea that this place was a UFO hotspot 1726 01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:32,500 and I told her this and then man you 1727 01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:33,820 should have seen her mouth drop because 1728 01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:35,350 she said to me you're kidding me 1729 01:23:39,870 --> 01:23:38,260 she said I saw something I saw something 1730 01:23:42,660 --> 01:23:39,880 a few nights back she said were these 1731 01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,670 two lights in the sky they were dancing 1732 01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:44,320 around together she said I saw something 1733 01:23:48,730 --> 01:23:47,330 she's no I never knew this was a UFO she 1734 01:23:52,150 --> 01:23:48,740 I'm gonna go and look it up and this is 1735 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,160 a woman I met walking her dogs and I kid 1736 01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:53,600 you not and it was down just on that 1737 01:23:59,250 --> 01:23:55,490 damn marine Road near the port aid from 1738 01:24:02,110 --> 01:23:59,260 primary school but I met this woman so 1739 01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:02,120 yeah it never ceases to amaze me sleep 1740 01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:03,830 any research as well he was there